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ofcourse orford is better then cronk.....but cronk hasnt been in 1st grade for the last 7 years? but if orford leaves....cronk wouldnt be a bad replacment and under bellamy he could be as good if not better then orford in the future.

steaming stormer wrote:Not the same scenario as Swain and Smith... while Swain was good, Smith is better.

You could not have known that when the whole scenario was playing out back in 2002 unless you've been watching Smith play for Norths week in week out because he played only two games or so that year for us.

Thunderstruck wrote: You could not have known that when the whole scenario was playing out back in 2002 unless you've been watching Smith play for Norths week in week out because he played only two games or so that year for us.

That, my friend, is why Fampa is an invaluable resource.

Where is she anyway? She used to give us weekly updates on Norths.

norths lost yesterday got a thumping...they really miss cronk and inglis

Thunderstruck wrote:

steaming stormer wrote:Not the same scenario as Swain and Smith... while Swain was good, Smith is better.

You could not have known that when the whole scenario was playing out back in 2002 unless you've been watching Smith play for Norths week in week out because he played only two games or so that year for us.

Ahhhh but I saw Smith play those 2 games and talked to Ribot.

I am of the same thought as many of you. I think Matt Orford will leave. Over the years it seems that Manly are a club that can't be stuffed bringing juniors up through what is a footy heartland. Over the past 20 years, they have always had money, and they have always poached. Next year will be no different. However Orford may not go there!

I have a feeling Orford may be the Gold Coast half back in 2007, and to fill in time next year may play a year for an English Super League club. And if that is the case, I wish he'd just come out and say it, so we can move on. I'm sick of him dragging it out and putting us all through sleepless nights. He's a fantatsic footballer on his day, but I personally think he may be a bit OVER valued.

In any event, we have Cooper Cronk as has been stated, as well as Marc Brentnall, the son of the great Greg Brentnall, and if Marc was to get the job if Orford goes, his family are all here in Melbourne, and that may just be the key to keeping a half back long term.

and putting us all through sleepless nights.

Dude.....thats real sad........you are losing sleep over the little *lima lima lima duck*??????
man, u need some help.

If Orford was going to England, he would have signed already. He's waiting till 12.01am 1st July to sign with Manly.

I'd say he hasn't signed because he has to wait until the 1st of July, but the contract is on his desk already.

That suits me.

holy shit...manly look like they are going to now sign monaghan:

http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story ... id=3238757

We'll wait in half an hour then. If Monaghan does stay at Manly, Orford may look more likely to stay unless Souths have money.